tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post2504864767097212159..comments2024-03-28T14:53:38.827-04:00Comments on BLCKDGRD: then decomposes to be reabsorbedUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-76235832334161750202016-08-10T18:13:11.508-04:002016-08-10T18:13:11.508-04:00One final point I had forgotten: the current head ...One final point I had forgotten: the current head of the FDA was legal counsel for Monsanto and then a lobbyist think tank https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_R._Taylor <br />This I would consider problematic. fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01522672049371678717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-23564468827198184762016-08-10T11:38:37.850-04:002016-08-10T11:38:37.850-04:00Thanks, as always, fish.Thanks, as always, fish.Landruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11954074164878242561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-61466625721723395972016-08-10T00:57:21.718-04:002016-08-10T00:57:21.718-04:00I admit a bias towards thinking of an antivaxx opi...I admit a bias towards thinking of an antivaxx opinion as inherently a conservative one -- and then remembered my Vegan Socialist, proto-back-to-the-lander friend who also believes vaxxing is Bad. Mongo, At The Momenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00973606827337262084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-58262280822794386542016-08-09T23:45:23.796-04:002016-08-09T23:45:23.796-04:00Money clouds research because a new vax to be admi...Money clouds research because a new vax to be administered to every kid in the US (or world) can = hundreds of millions in profits. Most researchers are honest players but... http://www.future-science.com/doi/pdf/10.4155/cli.14.116fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01522672049371678717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-29348826097710077312016-08-09T23:37:31.679-04:002016-08-09T23:37:31.679-04:00First chicken pox vaccines had high failure rates....First chicken pox vaccines had high failure rates. http://m.jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/197/7/944.full <br />A kid that had one of those was at risk of shingles later in life. Was a failure of initial efficacy tests. fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01522672049371678717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-34821117358373371532016-08-09T17:20:47.375-04:002016-08-09T17:20:47.375-04:00fish, Please allow me to amend my demand, in what ...fish, Please allow me to amend my demand, in what I hope is a reasonable way: name the vaccines that are on the recommended vaccine schedule despite testing problems.<br />Feel free to answer the former, of course, if it pleases you to do so. But I think the crux of the generalized regulatory argument would be better addressed by the recommended immunization schedule (Stein's comments addressed both FDA, which approves, and CDC, which recommends--as you probably know). And a thing antivaxxers like to spout (in their Cloaks of Vaccine Safety Pretending) is that the recommended schedule is "untested," which is of course a lie.Landruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11954074164878242561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-27579441534881279172016-08-09T16:46:39.532-04:002016-08-09T16:46:39.532-04:00Anti-vaxxers come from both extremes of the politi...Anti-vaxxers come from both extremes of the political spectrum. The loss of faith in regulation of immunizations is not based on anything rational, nor is it scientifically derived.Landruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11954074164878242561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-51690982320915162852016-08-09T16:44:41.608-04:002016-08-09T16:44:41.608-04:00Sorry, fish. Name them. Name the vaccines that are...Sorry, fish. Name them. Name the vaccines that are on the market that shouldn't be, that made it to market despite testing problems. Name them. Then, after you more than likely abjectly fail to do that, please tell me exactly what's money-clouded about vaccine research. Innuendo doesn't cut it here, and you, of all people, know it. <br />Then tell me why it's okay for a medical doctor running for office to pander to anti-science freaks. Stein's nonsense is a Big Pharma gambit cloaked in "corporatey corporations doing corporatey things," and I'm very sorry to say, because I have some idea of where you come from and where you've been, that your argument here isn't a lot better.<br />I agree that, despite her having used very carefully studied anti-vaxxer language, Stein is probably pandering, rather than anti-science. That's not really better.<br />I'm truly sorry if I'm coming off as angry at you, fish. I'm disappointed in your comment, but I accept that it's coming from a non-evil place. Stein's caution in her statement didn't root in the scientific method or in an understanding of the state of research. It rooted in politics, pure and simple, the same kind of shit Greens purport to be upset with, as long as Hillary's doing it.Landruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11954074164878242561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-41898027792302993302016-08-09T15:55:00.254-04:002016-08-09T15:55:00.254-04:00Fish / Vaxx = Well said; and the link between &quo...Fish / Vaxx = Well said; and the link between "a loss in faith with regulatory bodies [with] the antivaxxers" is important. A key element of the altRight is to equate any Federal government activity (which at base is all about standardization and regulation) with an abridgement of personal rights. Because Freedom.Mongo, At The Momenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00973606827337262084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-50984909269986509292016-08-09T15:15:16.141-04:002016-08-09T15:15:16.141-04:00It was awful in both ways. I thought might be what...It was awful in both ways. I thought might be what you were trying to get at but I often misinterpret the BDR sense of humor. : )PBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-65276181158317694932016-08-09T15:11:20.828-04:002016-08-09T15:11:20.828-04:00Thanks, fish, I was hoping you'd chime in.Thanks, fish, I was hoping you'd chime in.BDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06557941385560728052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-64331804987081260172016-08-09T15:10:18.622-04:002016-08-09T15:10:18.622-04:00Awful in that it did not fully capture Hillarium s...Awful in that it did not fully capture Hillarium sliminess? Or that it was *too* sloppy a slime. <br /><br />I'm neither pro or anti Green (as I was neither pro or anti Sanders). My interest resides in furthering my divorce from Clintonism in particular and motherfucking Democrats in general.BDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06557941385560728052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-37190346396244723202016-08-09T13:46:40.656-04:002016-08-09T13:46:40.656-04:00I have a different take on Stein and vaccines. She...I have a different take on Stein and vaccines. She was trying to link a loss in faith with regulatory bodies to the antivaxxers. From everything I've read she is not antivax but her argument is way too subtle and ended up in the Hillary meat grinder as a result. A massive political misstep but not the anti-science stance Landru sees. I could be wrong on that but I am also very frustrated with many non-scientist pundits freaking out because someone states his or her support for vaccination carefully. Like other medicines, there are probably vaccines out there that shouldn't be on the market because testing was incomplete or biased. Lots of money at stake, enough to cloud results. While vaccination is good and important, that does not equal all vaccines are good and important. fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01522672049371678717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3020960402708303830.post-24814522061871576682016-08-09T13:33:03.457-04:002016-08-09T13:33:03.457-04:00That "Slime" article was awful. Publish ...That "Slime" article was awful. Publish anti-Green Party articles, if you must, but surely there is better material somewhere on the internet.PBnoreply@blogger.com